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Subject : Re: Free Speech means house rules, ok? posted by ETFan on Oct-10-2008 07:27pm |
| Katweezel wrote: > > ETF, you've pulled rank and put me in my upstart newcomer place. I did note that so far, neither Stalker nor anyone else has seen fit to ban the charlatan interloper. What makes you think so? WRX and OPPC are nobody? Arnold wants him gone. It's easier said than done, but it WILL be done. > (By the way, I downloaded his FREE roulette system and it looks interesting to me, but I would appreciate someone else's AP advice about it. Someone a lot higher up the totem pole than me, which could be you, one day perhaps?) I will look into it when I get time, but I can tell you, based on the 5+% house edge, and based on the nonsensical statements throughout his web site, I would put my "degree of certainty" for any Parpaluck system very close to zero. > I also noted this site-owner is conspiculously silent on this P-issue. Some people believe that responding to trolls only encourages them. I think they should get a negative response, to protect newbies -- but only to a point. > I guess he could be otherwise engaged or disinterested, so I can't presume anything more than those generalisations. Arnold gets here once a week at most. Didn't you read his message? http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/Message%20from%20Arnold%20Snyder.htm He hates the internet. Also from: http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/FAQs.htm "Why the Discussion Boards are `Moderated' The primary reason we moderate our discussion boards is to protect the users from those who would abuse the forum. If someone is spamming the board with advertisements for a gambling system they are selling, we can delete these irritating posts and disable the spammer’s password if the abuse continues. All public message boards have these types of problems occasionally." > Parpaluck seems to have pushed some sensitive buttons here. Does this mean those who voted 'stay' such as John Wright and me, also run the risk of being 86'd from here, under association/contamination rules? Sincere musings and questions are always welcome, but naturally, everyone runs the risk of being 86'd, just as anyone can be 86'd at any time from a casino -- including me. > Yours: "They can kick you out if they don't like the color of your tie under the Innkeepers Law." > > I read Arnold's link story. Excuse me, but I admit to being a bit thick sometimes and I still did not 100% get it. There is some sarcasm in his writing, as is often the case. A healthy dose of sarcasm, yea even cynicism, is necessary in advantage play. > I may need legal advice. Here goes. In Nevada, card counting (or anything else where the brain is used) is legal. So then, in that State, if I get tapped and booted from my BJ table, I am NOT being shown the door because of my (obvious) card counting skills, right? Wrong. I am not a lawyer, and I can not give legal advice. However, I believe the ramblings below are basically true, and I'm sure the fine lawyers who frequent this site are waiting with red hot coals in the backs of their minds, ready to pounce on any inaccuracy. They can kick you out for card counting. Very simply, you don't have to be doing anything illegal -- or even immoral -- or even boorish -- to get kicked out. They have the absolute right to refuse service to whomever they choose, as long as it's not for reasons of "race, creed, religion, sexual preference..." yadayadayada -- one of the reasons specifically excluded by law It varies somewhat by state. New Jersey is one of the few states where it's illegal to bar card counters. Naturally they can just invent some other reason not on the list, which makes the state of the law ridiculous IMHO, but nothing new there. They usually do not tell you they're kicking you out for card counting, but sometimes they do. Often they give no reason at all. It's a PR decision. > I am officially getting the boot because in The Game that they play, their rules - as an Innkeeper, apply. And today, my red tie is not on the list, so my welome is withdrawn as of NOW! Does that come close? They can withdraw their welcome for almost any arbitrary reason. It's not good business obviously, which is the only reason it doesn't happen more often. But you have no "right" to be in an inn, if the keeper doesn't want you there. There may be some exceptions in some states (e.g. the "fair notice" law in New Jersey) but I think that's the general state of things in the U.S. -- which I actually support. There are some advantage players who are outraged when casinos throw them out, but I look at it as a private property issue. So if getting 86'd seems like the end of the world to you, well then learn to lose fast with a smile on your face like a good little lemming. ETF |
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